Introducing our first officially licensed racing wheel for PlayStation®4 (PS4™) - UPDATE 1

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  • edited June 2017
    Here we go...
    :D
    Now I just have to finish my today's work. Approx. 4 hrs. left..
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  • Hey Lee, do u experience some rumbling n rattling when u go off track or so? Mine does feel like there is something loose n has too much space...Its ratlting around ...Cant compare with a CSW2 or 2,5

    Thanks for ur answere...

    Hi,
    Heavy rumble/shock from the base is a little clunky from say grass/off track excursions or the larger kerbs but then normal kerbs are a nice tame rumble but I don't think it sounds like something is loose with the base as such.
    If you were/are used to the likes of CSW bases or the CSR Elite like I was, then they had metal casings and so rumble/shock was more solid, I think its a little more rattly/clunky if you know what I mean with the plastic base case but not in a bad way at all?
    I will try and upload a video of my heavy base shock/rumbling to show you. Can you do the same for comparison?
  • Lee Horne said:
    Hey Lee, do u experience some rumbling n rattling when u go off track or so? Mine does feel like there is something loose n has too much space...Its ratlting around ...Cant compare with a CSW2 or 2,5

    Thanks for ur answere...

    Hi,
    Heavy rumble/shock from the base is a little clunky from say grass/off track excursions or the larger kerbs but then normal kerbs are a nice tame rumble but I don't think it sounds like something is loose with the base as such.
    If you were/are used to the likes of CSW bases or the CSR Elite like I was, then they had metal casings and so rumble/shock was more solid, I think its a little more rattly/clunky if you know what I mean with the plastic base case but not in a bad way at all?
    I will try and upload a video of my heavy base shock/rumbling to show you. Can you do the same for comparison?
    Sorry, to be clear, I am talking about when on Pcars,which is known for heavy clipping, which could be part of the cause of making it sound worse. I am going to try Dirt later as this is heavy with the shock/rumble.
  • edited June 2017
    Hey Lee, do u experience some rumbling n rattling when u go off track or so? Mine does feel like there is something loose n has too much space...Its ratlting around ...Cant compare with a CSW2 or 2,5

    Thanks for ur answere...
    Yes, the CSL tends to suffer a bit more of rattling, depending on the game you're playing. It happens on the XOne version too: on PC at least can be easily fine tuned if the sim offers enough parameters to set up FFB, I don't know on console.

  • CSL E RW If PS4 rim is connected to CSW V2.5, does CSW V2.5 also work on PS4?

  • CSL E RW If PS4 rim is connected to CSW V2.5, does CSW V2.5 also work on PS4?
    No. The PS4 compatibly is built into the base NOT the rim. It's the exact opposite for Xbox One. Hope this helps.

  • Hi,
    Heavy rumble/shock from the base is a little clunky from say grass/off track excursions or the larger kerbs but then normal kerbs are a nice tame rumble but I don't think it sounds like something is loose with the base as such.
    If you were/are used to the likes of CSW bases or the CSR Elite like I was, then they had metal casings and so rumble/shock was more solid, I think its a little more rattly/clunky if you know what I mean with the plastic base case but not in a bad way at all?
    I will try and upload a video of my heavy base shock/rumbling to show you. Can you do the same for comparison?
    I meant exactely what u said, going offtrack in Pcars cause a rattling of FFB.
    Today i got time to test more.

    What Wheelsettings fit the best to Pcars?

    Sen: aut
    FFB: 100
    Sho:100
    SPr:?
    DPR:?

    Rest: Off
  • Helo Thomas, The bundle gives a great discount of 70 € for a purchase of 519 €. Yesterday I order for 1035 € without discount. We just have a little impression, to be strongly loser in the story. Why, such a big difference? This is not a criticism, just a question. Thank you in advance for your answer.
    This new bundle is tailored especially for new customers which are coming from other brands or for Fanatec customers which want to upgrade from an older Porsche or CSR wheel.



  • Agree with Sylvian, why not introduce a new higher spec option bundle where you can purchase the PS4 base and add what you want such as a better wheel with vibration motors, the v3 pedal option, shifter etc. In my case I'm currently just inclined to purchase the ps4 wheel and an adapter for my Logitech g25 pedals  to try out wheres would have gone for the base, a better wheel plus the F1 Carbon, v3 pedals, shifter and clamps. Maybe you could send me a discount code?
  • I see the Porsche PC wheel listed as available, but a second Porsche wheel , by looks identical, with PC compatability and something called "PS4 ready" is listed as well, saying you can place a reservation.

    Does this mean a PS4 compatible Porsche wheel for this new wheelbase is being prepared? (Maybe with lighter wight as well, as the motor in this wheelbase here has lesser torque than the CSW 2.5).
  • I see the Porsche PC wheel listed as available, but a second Porsche wheel , by looks identical, with PC compatability and something called "PS4 ready" is listed as well, saying you can place a reservation.

    Does this mean a PS4 compatible Porsche wheel for this new wheelbase is being prepared? (Maybe with lighter wight as well, as the motor in this wheelbase here has lesser torque than the CSW 2.5).
    Where did you see this? I only see one and it says PC and PS4 ready.
  • edited June 2017
    Where did you see this? I only see one and it says PC and PS4 ready.


    Ehem - yes...

    Yesterday evening it still were like I described. Selecting the wheel from the main screen of the homepage led me to the wheel for PC, shippable, where as when I used the selector and choosed the PS4 category from the menu, I had the new CSL Elite P1 entry - and the Porsche wheel alone, as "PC and PS4-ready", not shippable, but for reservation.

    Now that you ask, I went there to get thesite links, and saw that the difference is gone, there now is just the Porsche wheel "PC + PS4-ready".

    Obviously some site management took place meanwhile.

    So it goes...

    I still would like to have an official answer to whether or not the Porsche wheel will be made available for the PS4, via this new wheelbase. I lack the fantasy to interpret vague formulations like "PS4 ready", that could mean everything and nothing. If it will be compatible, then why not saying it plain and simple: "PS4 compatible".
  • Where did you see this? I only see one and it says PC and PS4 ready.


    Ehem - yes...

    Yesterday evening it still were like I described. Selecting the wheel from the main screen of the homepage led me to the wheel for PC, shippable, where as when I used the selector and choosed the PS4 category from the menu, I had the new CSL Elite P1 entry - and the Porsche wheel alone, as "PC and PS4-ready", not shippable, but for reservation.

    Now that you ask, I went there to get thesite links, and saw that the difference is gone, there now is just the Porsche wheel "PC + PS4-ready".

    Obviously some site management took place meanwhile.

    So it goes...

    I still would like to have an official answer to whether or not the Porsche wheel will be made available for the PS4, via this new wheelbase. I lack the fantasy to interpret vague formulations like "PS4 ready", that could mean everything and nothing. If it will be compatible, then why not saying it plain and simple: "PS4 compatible".
    It has to say "PS4 ready" because the new PS4 base is needed for it work. It won't work on PS4 otherwise. That's why PS4 compatible isn't used. They have to be clear what will work by itself and what needs a base (PS4) or rim (Xbox One) to function correctly.
  • edited June 2017
    What Wheelsettings fit the best to Pcars?

    Sen: aut
    FFB: 100
    Sho:100
    SPr:?
    DPR:?

    Rest: Off
    I use SPR and DRP to 100, then I set DRI to 003. I also recorded a video some time ago about how to setup FFB in-game, have a look at it: hopefully it will give you a help.
  • edited June 2017
    Could someone please be so kind and perform a little test? Please simply ensure that you have the current driver and firmware installed. Then start the setup tool on your PC. Keep the wheel in PC mode and press the 'Test FFB' button. Then please tell me what happend. I'm asking because I was shocked in terms of the loud and rattling noise! I would assume something might be wrong with my base but I'm not sure.

    Please find  my video  here for comparison.

    Many thanks!


  • Could someone please be so kind and perform a little test? Please simply ensure that you have the current driver and firmware installed. Then start the setup tool on your PC. Keep the wheel in PC mode and press the 'Test FFB' button. Then please tell me what happend. I'm asking because I was shocked in terms of the loud and rattling noise! I would assume something might be wrong with my base but I'm not sure.

    Please find  my video  here for comparison.

    Many thanks!


    That is same as mine did. I don't think its a fault, its how it is at full rumble and shock performance. Similar in Pcars game when going over rough off road/crash or large kerb.

    Lee.
  • Could someone please be so kind and perform a little test? Please simply ensure that you have the current driver and firmware installed. Then start the setup tool on your PC. Keep the wheel in PC mode and press the 'Test FFB' button. Then please tell me what happend. I'm asking because I was shocked in terms of the loud and rattling noise! I would assume something might be wrong with my base but I'm not sure.

    Please find  my video  here for comparison.

    Many thanks!

    Hi Thorsten,

    the same for me. The base and wheel works great !



  • What Wheelsettings fit the best to Pcars?

    Sen: aut
    FFB: 100
    Sho:100
    SPr:?
    DPR:?

    Rest: Off
    I use SPR and DRP to 100, then I set DRI to 003. I also recorded a video some time ago about how to setup FFB in-game, have a look at it: hopefully it will give you a help.

    SEN: AUT

    FFB: 100

    SHO: not available

    FOR: 110

    SPR: 90

    DPR: 100

    DRI: -01

    ABS: 20

    in game (PJC) : FFB: 90 - TF: 110 - GAIN: 1.10

    with these parameters, a feel a real "direct"  and seriously precise wheel 



  • Do both the LED elements work in Assetto corsa, or would they need Fanaled?

    I yesterday got my CSPv3 and found - to my surprise - that while Raceroom works the spinner motors allright, Assetto Corsa still needs the Fanaled workaround, this time for the motors (pedals directly attached to the PC via USB). Some time ago it was said the LED work in AC now for Fanatc wheels, but who knows.

    Windows 7 over here.


  • edited June 2017
    Lee Horne said:
    That is same as mine did. I don't think its a fault, its how it is at full rumble and shock performance...

    Lee.
    Really so loud an heavy? I would say that this heavy rumbling might cause some damage on the circuit board. I can remember such a case! In my GT3 RS V2 wheel a small heat sink got loose as it was just mounted with some thermal conductance glue on the IC.
  • Lee Horne said:
    Could someone please be so kind and perform a little test? Please simply ensure that you have the current driver and firmware installed. Then start the setup tool on your PC. Keep the wheel in PC mode and press the 'Test FFB' button. Then please tell me what happend. I'm asking because I was shocked in terms of the loud and rattling noise! I would assume something might be wrong with my base but I'm not sure.

    Please find  my video  here for comparison.

    Many thanks!


    That is same as mine did. I don't think its a fault, its how it is at full rumble and shock performance. Similar in Pcars game when going over rough off road/crash or large kerb.

    Lee.
    Same for me. It's definitely scary.
    On AC, it's the same on Pcars, as Lee described.
    If you stay on the track by cons, it is only happiness. For the toughest cars to drive like the Lamborghini Countach, I improved my lap time by 2.5 seconds, just by using the new base and only three laps.
    To be complete, my base is associated with the V3 pedals, with Damper kit and performer kit. Equipped in this way, the V3 is clearly superior to the V2.
    For those wondering what exactly this brings :
    - The performer kit, gives a more regular braking, it removes the soft area, at the beginning of the brake pedal stroke.
    - The Damper kit allows a better control of the brake pedal when released, which facilitates and makes much more accurate the degressive braking.
    The more cars are difficult to drive, the more you will benefit from better equipment.
    For cars said easy to drive, small Mazda for example, the gain will be much less, see almost zero in pure performances.
    On the other hand you will always gain a lot of driving pleasure.
    The V3 is already excellent without the options. The options will only be needed for the most demanding players.

  • Could someone please be so kind and perform a little test? Please simply ensure that you have the current driver and firmware installed. Then start the setup tool on your PC. Keep the wheel in PC mode and press the 'Test FFB' button. Then please tell me what happend. I'm asking because I was shocked in terms of the loud and rattling noise! I would assume something might be wrong with my base but I'm not sure.

    Please find  my video  here for comparison.

    Many thanks!


    Letting the wheel do full FFB without holding the rim is bound to make a lot of noise. Could you also test while holding the rim, and see if there's still excessive rattling?
  • Do both the LED elements work in Assetto corsa, or would they need Fanaled?

    I yesterday got my CSPv3 and found - to my surprise - that while Raceroom works the spinner motors allright, Assetto Corsa still needs the Fanaled workaround, this time for the motors (pedals directly attached to the PC via USB). Some time ago it was said the LED work in AC now for Fanatc wheels, but who knows.

    Windows 7 over here.


    On Playstation with AC, it works very well.
    On the other hand the keys square, triangle, round, cross, work only in the menus. When you are on the track, they have no effect. It is therefore impossible to change the degree of ABS, traction control or other options, depending on the configuration you have chosen among the 3 available in the game. I think it is a problem of programming the game , Not material.
    I informed Kunos of the problem, I hope that I will be heard and that they will be able to remedy the problem in an upcoming update.
  • edited June 2017
    Sylvain RAUSCH said:
    ...
    To be complete, my base is associated with the V3 pedals, with Damper kit and performer kit.
    ...
    That's exactly my choice as well. But it's not yet installed.

    Unfortunately I have another issue with the display on the wheel rim which you can see  here.
    And one more with the 918 RSR Rim as shown  here.
    Regarding all this and the rattling base I consulted the Fanatec support crew some minutes ago. I'll get a reply from them soon...

    Just the  Formula One Carbon Rim  works perfectly fine without any issues. So at least one...
  • Sylvain RAUSCH said:
    ...
    To be complete, my base is associated with the V3 pedals, with Damper kit and performer kit.
    ...
    That's exactly my choice as well. But it's not yet installed.

    Unfortunately I have another issue with the display on the wheel rim which you can see  here.
    And one more with the 918 RSR Rim as shown  here.
    Regarding all this and the rattling base I consulted the Fanatec support crew some minutes ago. I'll get a reply from them soon...

    Just the  Formula One Carbon Rim  works perfectly fine without any issues. So at least one...
    If I can give you some advice before installing the various elements.
    Take a car you know well on a circuit you know well.
    Set the brake preload adjustment wheel to minimun and do not touch it any more, because at the end of the process it will automatically be in this position.
    Set the loadcell setting to 50 even if you do not like it.
    Test until you can no longer improve your times. From that moment on, never touch the car's settings again.
    In order, install your kit performer, test, modify, test, modify, until you find what suits you best.
    I know, it's long and not so obvious for each time putting the piece back in place. For information, I am hard, with 12 & 13 green.
    Then install the Damper, test on minimun, medium, maximun, and finally adjust to your convenience.
    It's very long as a procedure, but it will allow you to better understand and then react faster if you want to change again. Personally, it took me 3 days.
    But today I am happy.

    If you could, we would make the return of what you will have answered the service Fanatec, on your problems, it would be nice.

    For your led problems, I have no idea, but if I understand correctly, you are on PC and me on Playstation. I have not encountered this problem. If you still want my opinion, I think your led on the wheel must be replaced.
  • edited June 2017
    Feedback from Fanatec:
    - FFB behaviour is normal - (but scary)
    - Just the LED bar of the 918 RSR has to be replaced.
    - The Complete CSL P1 Rim has to be replaced.

    If I can give you some advice before installing the various elements.
    ...
    Many thanks for that!
  • I really hope that E3 is what is holding up release in North America. This waiting in the dark takes more patience than I was born with.LOL
  • Just unboxed my new cls base , very nice it is ! The was a silica gel pack like the picture inside the base , had to turn it upside down & borrow the wife's tweezers to get it out , I thought I read about a guy who's wheel was making a funny noise maybe the same thing?? If u have ordered a new base watch out for this !
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  • When can I buy on US web site? ETA?
  • When can I buy on US web site? ETA?
    Thomas said they are working on it but can't give a eta.
  • edited June 2017
    Feedback from Fanatec:
    - FFB behaviour is normal - (but scary)
    - Just the LED bar of the 918 RSR has to be replaced.
    - The Complete CSL P1 Rim has to be replaced.
    The new LED bar and the P1 Rim for replacement are on the way already. In best case they will arrive on Monday. So the Fanatec support is really great but there is some space for improvement in terms of quality assurance.
  • Feedback from Fanatec:
    - FFB behaviour is normal - (but scary)
    - Just the LED bar of the 918 RSR has to be replaced.
    - The Complete CSL P1 Rim has to be replaced.
    The new LED bar and the P1 Rim for replacement are on the way already. In best case they will arrive on Monday. So the Fanatec support is really great but there is some space for improvement in terms of quality assurance.
    No company is perfect. You had really bad luck though. Lol. But you were able to see that Fanatec does indeed do everything they can to make things right by their customers. Glad to hear it's all working out for ya
  • edited June 2017
    I'm using Fanatec hardware since many years and I had some issues here and there. But the support was always excellent. You can really count on them. As soon everything is ready I will share my impressions here. I have to modify my playseat a little bit which will take some time. Meanwhile I start saving money for the Clubsport Shifter and Handbrake. That's all what is missing so far.
  • Hi guys , Hi Fanatec,
    anyone experienced no working of rumble motors on V3i connected to the new CSL Elite base ann wheel for PS4, using on Assetto Corsa (on PS4) ?
    they work great using PJC... nothing with AC...
    Anyone in the same situation ?
    Thanks a lot !


  • edited June 2017
    I got the new Fanatec CSL Elite Racing Wheel for PS4 yesterday and have a problem, it's impossible to adjust the ABS, TC and Turbo in Assetto Corsa no matter what button configuration i use, so it makes it impossible to drive cars with adjustable turbo at maximum power because It is not possible to adjust that in setup, only when driving

    And if I plug my Thrustmaster TH8 shifter into the PS4, my steering wheel stops working in the Assetto Corsa and i have to restart the game to make it work again, it does not help to disconnect the TH8, the game must be restarted with TH8 disconnected , I tried this with dirt rally and there they work great together, Fanatec steering wheel and Thrustmaster TH8 shifter
    So I suppose the license to Thrustmaster is stronger than Fanatec at Kunos ;) ha ha

    I went from the T300 with Ferrari 599 Alcantara and I have to say I think the buttons on the 599 are better, more posetive clicks, also more posetive clicks on the shifters, but on the other hand the shifters on the P1 are more solid but the 599 rim feels better and has Better and softer fabric

    But when it comes to driving this wheel is much faster and much smoother :):) i love it :) this is a big step up from the t300
    I like to power the slide cars and with this wheel it's much easier because it's so fast and Smooth :):)
    PS I almost only drive Assetto Corsa
  • I really like this :) the more I drive the more I like it :) I tried Project Cars tonight and this wheel made it a completely different experience :) like a new sim :)
    I'm in love :):)
  • I really like this :) the more I drive the more I like it :) I tried Project Cars tonight and this wheel made it a completely different experience :) like a new sim :)
    I'm in love :):)
    Totally agree. Ive had fanatec gear before but recently had a thrustmaster T300. I love driving games but I had not been playing them for a while. After getting this wheel it feels like driving games have come alive again. This wheel is worth the extra money over the thrustmaster equivelent as you get so much more feel/fun out of it and the build quality is excellent. I want to send some love and gratitude to Thomas and all the guys at Fanatec for there hard work negotiating with Sony/Microsoft and producing all of this great hardware for us. 
    You guys are so awesome! Thank you
  • Got my CSL elite PS4 set + LC kit + F1 Black rim and had finally time to test it and install the setup. 

    Must say i'm impressed with the build quality, hopefully it is as reliable as it seems/feels to be. CSL elite rim leather is nice and there is great click in paddles, which I think were some comments when watching reviews of P1, so good reactivity from Fanatec. FFB is great compared to my previous wheel (G29), really smooth, strong and natural in its way. Pedals are great but those already have received good comments in reviews etc so that was not a surprise. This was impression from Assetto, this week need to try Dirt also! 

    Thanks Thomas and congrats for a great product!
  • Hi guys , Hi Fanatec,
    anyone experienced no working of rumble motors on V3i connected to the new CSL Elite base ann wheel for PS4, using on Assetto Corsa (on PS4) ?
    they work great using PJC... nothing with AC...
    Anyone in the same situation ?
    Thanks a lot !


    I initially had an issue with non operative brake motor on Pcars but after re-flashing the firmware and further testing it is working correctly on both Pcars & Assetto, HOWEVER, the motor rumble is very very light, to the point I cant really feel it on my foot/pedal.
    The accelerator motor I can feel fine as seems to be stronger but the brake motor is very weak.

    Fanatec/Thomas - please can you advise, do I need to log this with the technical department.

    On positive note and as previously mentioned, this new PS4 wheel is absolutely fantastic is all areas, I love it and is best on the market by far!

    Lee.    
  • Lee Horne said:
    Hi guys , Hi Fanatec,
    anyone experienced no working of rumble motors on V3i connected to the new CSL Elite base ann wheel for PS4, using on Assetto Corsa (on PS4) ?
    they work great using PJC... nothing with AC...
    Anyone in the same situation ?
    Thanks a lot !


    I initially had an issue with non operative brake motor on Pcars but after re-flashing the firmware and further testing it is working correctly on both Pcars & Assetto, HOWEVER, the motor rumble is very very light, to the point I cant really feel it on my foot/pedal.
    The accelerator motor I can feel fine as seems to be stronger but the brake motor is very weak.

    Fanatec/Thomas - please can you advise, do I need to log this with the technical department.

    On positive note and as previously mentioned, this new PS4 wheel is absolutely fantastic is all areas, I love it and is best on the market by far!

    Lee.    
    Thanks Lee, I'll try to re-flash the firmware... by the moment I have perfect working rumble motors (gas and brake) on PCars and nothing (no gas nor brake) on AC....
  • Seems to be an AC's issue... on their official forum, many gamers/drivers, talk about this situation on PC.... not clear on PS4....maybe we need another patch, and knowing Kunos' timeliness , we can't sleep fine....:(
  • edited June 2017




  • I keep checking the US site to see if this wheel is yet available to order. It looks nice!
    Did I miss an ETA mentioned somewhere?  My wheel savings keep getting depleted by other expenses so I hope it's not too far away  [-O<
  • I keep checking the US site to see if this wheel is yet available to order. It looks nice!
    Did I miss an ETA mentioned somewhere?  My wheel savings keep getting depleted by other expenses so I hope it's not too far away  [-O<
    You Haven't missed any US announcement yet.
  • So..... How many more of us on here bought the new PS4 wheel since its release?
    How you getting on with it, whats your thoughts on the base and wheel.
    I'm interested to hear if others are as overjoyed as I am, and enjoying their racing more, I certainly am loving it!
    And if I hear on the grape vine correctly, TM are about to pitch their non DD GT wheel at a much higher price than this amazing wheel so think Thomas, you may well see another surge of purchases soon :)
  • edited June 2017

    Lee Horne said:
    So..... How many more of us on here bought the new PS4 wheel since its release?
    How you getting on with it, whats your thoughts on the base and wheel.
    ...
    I'll share my impressions here as soon as everything is installed. I guess I will start with a round on the famous Nordschleife.
    Thorsten Rinkenberger said:
    ...
    The new LED bar and the P1 Rim for replacement are on the way already. In best case they will arrive on Monday. So the Fanatec support is really great...
    I received the replacment parts yesterday. So many thanks again to Fanatec for the great support!
  • Trying to get the combo running well in Assetto corsa and Raceroom so far, I must report

    - that neither with nor without Fanaleds the revlights on the base function in Assetto Corsa but stay dark, the LED display on the wheel is locked to speed with gear displayed during gear change only, the indicator light on the wheel is working correctly;

    - whereas in Raceroom the elements all work well  OUT OF THE BOX and without any improvised workarounds,  and a mapped Fanatec key even toggles you through different modes for the LEd display (speed only, speed and gear, gera only, laps, position).

    However, there seems to be a bug in Raceroom: sometimes, when reving up and with two blue LEDs on, the base rev lights are on, the rev lights freeze and will remain all lit except the last blue LED, it remains to be like this until you over-rev once and have the revs reaching beyond that locked second blue LED - once all three have been lit, the rev lights then dance on and off again as they should - until next time you rev up into the blue range, but not to the maximum of all three blue LEDs.

    I have close to 1000 hours in Assetto Corsa and love the game, but the lacking support for Fanatec is not really a compliment. Raceroom (300+ hours) shows how its to be done.
  • I re-flashed firmware but nothing change on AC on PS4... rumble motors don't work... nor gas neither brake... Led display on wheel shows only speed. No way to change keys configuration.... I hope for a patch....
    Everything works great on PJC.

    Very pleased to purchase my first Fanatec Wheel base, great Base, great wheel.... FFb very realistic, fantastic wheel speed; 4 hours playing continuously , the Base is cold, perfectly working.... I feel great to choose Fanatic instead of waiting for the new T-GT by TM.... 
    Excellent combo with CSP V3i !! 
    Tahnks Fanatec !
  • edited June 2017
    The Specs are out that New Toy Master wheel is NOT a DD!!!

    Edit: Thinking back I clearly remember a few months ago when the TM DD wheel rumors first started--> Thomas stated the the wheel He saw at the expo was Not DD and that the wording being used to advertise it were Very misleading.
  • The Specs are out that New Toy Master wheel is NOT a DD!!!
    No surprise at all.
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