DD2 review of Barry from SRG

edited September 3 in Blog
Here it is!

The long awaited review of Barry Rowland. The master of disassembly! And while I always have some screws left over after I re-assembled everything he always manages to put back everything perfectly.

This is our very first DD wheel base and it is a great honour for us that he sees the overall experience you get with our DD at the level of the very best last gen DDs out there. Thank you, Barry!

He also gives a great explanation of the Fanalab software and it looks like he liked it a lot.

A few notes I would like to mention:
1. With an upcoming new firmware you can also turn down the torque only if you press the power button short and to turn it off you press it 2 seconds.
2. The flex in the QR will not cause any lack of fidelity as it is not rotational flex. You can also avoid it by using the locking bolt if it bothers you. I personally doubt that there is any chance that you notice that while driving.
3.  Fanalab will be available for all wheel bases and not just Podium
4. The dynamic force feedback damper works now ;)


PS: The Fanalab software is really close to release now and it is just a matter of days or weeks and not months.
SRG review
  1. Do you notice the horizontal flex as shown in the video while driving?88 votes
    1. I don't have such flex
      60.23%
    2. No. The flex is not in the rotational direction and therefore irrelevant.
      25.00%
    3. Yes. I can clearly feel more details if I use the bolt to eliminate the flex.
      14.77%
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Comments

  • 1. With an upcoming new firmware you can also turn down the torque only if you press the power button short and to turn it off you press it 2 seconds.
    Hello Thomas,

    I think everybody wants that the FFB turns off with the killswitch button... not the tiny Power Button.
    ... And yes I don't have a such flex but it isn't in the rotational direction and therefore irrelevant.

    Cheers,
    JC
  • edited September 3
    Barry didnot tight the locking ring???
  • You had me at "days"...but then you had to mess all up with the word weeks :/



    :)
  • edited September 3
    Between the quick release, UHX, adaptor and AR wheel that’s doesn’t seem crazy to have a bit of flex with that amount of weight and length. I get zero flex with either the Formula V2 or UHX and GT Wheel. Nice in-depth look from Barry though.
  • I have a CSW v2.5 and not a podium, but he said all Fanatec wheels he's had have has that flex, but I have no flex like that at all on my wheelbase, and I have the Porsche, McLaren and F1 2018 wheels. I don't use the locking screw either, the quick release sits pretty flush on mine, no wobble.
  • edited September 3
    I have flex with all of my rims & yes the feedback is better (less sloppy) with the bolt installed, however even with the bolt installed I still have flex. When compared to other quick release systems the flex is disappointing. I am looking forward to the Fanalab software!
  • With the modular nature of new rims, a Podium QR upgrade might be worthy someday. I'm content with my qr for now though, and it makes sense to develop rims pedals and handbrake in the near term. My formula rim v2 would like a big brother!
  • Great review! (but did we expect anything else ;)

    With the 'older' QR's attached to my McLaren and XBox hub I also have flex with the DD1 and it is noticable while racing (especially high paced Dirt Rally 2)--> tbh I never tried it with the bolt. I'll try that later.

    With the new F1 2019 wheel it is rock solid. 

    Looking forward to the Fanalabs software
  • does the play in the wheel get worse over time, 
  • no news of the new QR system mentioned in the direct drive product sheet?
  • No flex on my DD2 in combination with universal hub and formula v2 eu wheel.  

    Many nonsense reactions in the revieuw from users who have never used a Fanatec product themselves.

    Satisfied with all the Fanatec products so far. Pedals, clubsport wheelbase v2.5, DD2 and steering wheels.

  • no news of the new QR system mentioned in the direct drive product sheet?
    The QR on the podium bases is the new QR system :)
  • no news of the new QR system mentioned in the direct drive product sheet?
    The QR on the podium bases is the new QR system :)
    in the product sheet I read: in the future you will have the option to upgrade to a new QR system.
  • Personally, with 2 Xbox Hub (buy 6 months ago) with my DD2, i have no flex in the QR, like i need to grease the QR for push/pull a wheel without too much force that can causing damages

    I'm going to see if i have flex with my wheel F1 Esport next month but i doubt
  • edited September 3
    Is the clutch bite point part of Fanalab?
  • edited September 3
    Where can i download the fanalab?
  • edited September 3
    @Humberto. It has not been released yet.
  • even putting the bolt in,  the dd1 with 2018 f1 wheel still wobbles abit, its kinda annoying,  not noticeable during driving,   

    but giving the time taken by fanatec (above and beyond the projected product delivery timeline) I would have expected a high polished product that has quality in every detail,   the promised software not being delivered until months months later,  the delayed shipping (I really didn't need the excuses or the voucher),  the higher then expected price point, all the quality control issues and the finishing touches (like the qr wobble) is just one of many reasons iv found this purchase my most disappointing fanatec experience to date.

    The dismissive attitude to any criticism by Thomas Suggests he just doesn't quite understand nor potentially does not want to understand 
  • I have 4 wheels for my DD2 and all have flex. Not that much as shown in Barrys video, but they definitively flex. Even with the screw fully tightened. The flex is bigger than on my former CSW v2. The rubber part is the reason for that, i guess.
    The QR is my main issue, even if i don't notice the flex that much while driving.

    The DD2 is a damn great product, but the wobbly QR bothers me a lot. I'd appreciate if Fanatec would bring a more rock-solid solution on the table, even if i would have to upgrade all my wheel rims.
  • will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
  • will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
    Its a Windows Software. You generally cant use any software on consoles, so PC only.
  • Didn't he say the bolt didn't help? Shouldn't there be a fourth option on that biased poll?
  • edited September 3
    Didn't he say the bolt didn't help? Shouldn't there be a fourth option on that biased poll?
    Yes, It is clearly visible at 6:46 that the locking bolt is in place and he moves the steering wheel only with his fingers.
  • Didn't he say the bolt didn't help? Shouldn't there be a fourth option on that biased poll?
    Yes, It is clearly visible at 6:46 that the locking bolt is in place and he moves the steering wheel only with his fingers.
    But he is using a VERY long custom steering wheel combo with the UHX and a custom QR which increases the leverage significantly. You shouldnt have any flex with a "normal" steering wheel from Fanatec when using the bolt.
  • Didn't he say the bolt didn't help? Shouldn't there be a fourth option on that biased poll?
    Yes, It is clearly visible at 6:46 that the locking bolt is in place and he moves the steering wheel only with his fingers.
    But he is using a VERY long custom steering wheel combo with the UHX and a custom QR which increases the leverage significantly. You shouldnt have any flex with a "normal" steering wheel from Fanatec when using the bolt.
    With this custom steering wheel he has to use very long combo or there will be no force feedback which is not his fault. Keep in mind that other people who want to use custom steering wheels will probably also need to use such a long combo which is no excuse for flex, especially with the bolt in place.
  • Personaly for me most bigger problem is that I have no possibility to test a lot of fantastic devuces simracing. Fanatec DD and Clubsport, Simucube DD, Husinkveld Pedals and this is the reason why I cant say nothing NOTHING about my feeling for all of them. But I wonder :) I'm sure that is a lot of engineging hard work thats all. And "hate" is not fair! Mr. Jackermeier would be great to organize something like trip in more places around the World more events etc. Or maybe possibility to rent? Dear simracers take it easy. We should support ourselves and not hate each other :) wbr!
  • edited September 3
    Pretty gutted that those that have spent a lot of hard earned money have not been able / trusted to test fanalab software even though we are trusted to be Guinea pigs for the hardware / all the beta firmwares. Would have been nice for a public beta of the software for all us early adopters that took the gamble jumping straight in on an unknown / unproven product.
  • Even if they put out a beta version, some people would still complain they should have waited to fix all of the bugs. In instances like these, they will never be able to keep everyone happy. Just wait. I'm sure they will get everything sorted out in due time.

    Keith.
  • Even if they put out a beta version, some people would still complain they should have waited to fix all of the bugs. In instances like these, they will never be able to keep everyone happy. Just wait. I'm sure they will get everything sorted out in due time.

    Keith.
    Well obviously those type of people dont understand what the term beta means. Just wait seems to be a common thing no?
  • Where would I be able to get a replacement rubber collar for the quick release on my DD playstation?
  • will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
    Its a Windows Software. You generally cant use any software on consoles, so PC only.
    so fanalab will not be of any use to gran turismo?
  • will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
    Its a Windows Software. You generally cant use any software on consoles, so PC only.
    so fanalab will not be of any use to gran turismo?

    If you´re playing Gran Turismo on a PC it would work... ;)

  • edited September 4
    Pretty gutted that those that have spent a lot of hard earned money have not been able / trusted to test fanalab software even though we are trusted to be Guinea pigs for the hardware / all the beta firmwares. Would have been nice for a public beta of the software for all us early adopters that took the gamble jumping straight in on an unknown / unproven product.

    I think you have to look what all the competitors had to offer as they brought up their first DD bases, this was far away from plug and play and the Eco-system experience the Podium gives. Even when the software was out in time (If Thomas did not state that in the Blog nobody would know that it´s coming and the wheel works fine without the software too), people would still find things to complain about.

     

    Yes I have flex too, but until the video shows up I never tried to move my steering wheel in this direction so I think I can live with that. If they bring a more sturdy Quick release I would probably upgrade, but I don´t want to need tools for swapping wheels, so the bolt is no real option.

    I´m owing Fanatec products for a long time, so I´m pretty sure if they had released a new quick release, people would have been upset that they have to invest again a lot of money to make their existing steering wheels (I´m owning 5 at the moment) compatible with the new system. 


  • will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
    Its a Windows Software. You generally cant use any software on consoles, so PC only.
    so fanalab will not be of any use to gran turismo?
    No.
  • will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
    Its a Windows Software. You generally cant use any software on consoles, so PC only.
    so fanalab will not be of any use to gran turismo?
    No.
    really a pity that it is not synonymous for it
  • will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
    Its a Windows Software. You generally cant use any software on consoles, so PC only.
    so fanalab will not be of any use to gran turismo?

    If you´re playing Gran Turismo on a PC it would work... ;)

    Gt Sport is not there for pc
  • will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
    Its a Windows Software. You generally cant use any software on consoles, so PC only.
    so fanalab will not be of any use to gran turismo?
    No.
    really a pity that it is not synonymous for it
    As said, you can not use ANY software on console, that's impossible. Therefore of course FanaLab is pc exclusive of course but that really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. You also can't use any other software like CrewChief etc on consoles, that's the limitation of the consoles.
  • Great review! (but did we expect anything else ;)

    With the 'older' QR's attached to my McLaren and XBox hub I also have flex with the DD1 and it is noticable while racing (especially high paced Dirt Rally 2)--> tbh I never tried it with the bolt. I'll try that later.

    With the new F1 2019 wheel it is rock solid. 

    Looking forward to the Fanalabs software
    I can confirm that with the bolt mounted the flex is gone. This goes for both the universal hub and the McLaren* wheel. 
    For the newer F1 2019 wheel it was not necessary. Maybe that's because it's a brand new QR?

    * With the McLaren wheel which is not a podium series one you can feel and hear a little bit of plastic "tjirp" when using brute forces. Obviously you will never do that when playing a racegame but I did it just for this testing purpose. 


  • I do think it´s all about the tolerances, I have flex on my PS4 Podium rim, as my BMW rim is not flexing. Every series production has a tolerance specification, so somtimes if bad tolerances from shaft meet bad tolerances on the wheel you have more flex and vice versa 
  • edited September 4
    And with the McLaren wheel I have the same plastic sound, even when I drive. I think that is the difference between a plastic CSL wheel and a more sturdy Clubsport wheel. Looking forward to a proper Clubsport or Podium GT3 wheel in the future :)
  • edited September 4
    will the fanalab software only be relevant for PC games or for console games?
    Its a Windows Software. You generally cant use any software on consoles, so PC only.
    so fanalab will not be of any use to gran turismo?

    If you´re playing Gran Turismo on a PC it would work... ;)

    Gt Sport is not there for pc
    It was sarcasm from my side (sorry I couldn´t resist) , I know that GT S only runs on PS4 as I´m running the console beside the PC ;)
  • I do have some flex on my CSL elite ps4 wheel, but it comes from the shaft itself not from the QR.. I assume this is due to the fact that it's belt driven and some play is expected.. the QR on my F1 2018 wheel  is rock solid for me.. 
  • edited September 4
    Im glad everyone has their favorite Youtube pacifiers now. I'll leave the rest to your imagination. Now that SRG has it i can say everything i have is mediocre equipment reviewed by a slow talker.
  • this dude is paid advertising, im glad everyone has their favorite YouTube pacifier to tell them everything is ok now. This base is ok for pc, but has been a nightmare for me on console. i keep getting told it will get better ,but it gets worse. i have had it for the summer and i have been back and forth with inadequate support since week 3 of ownership. I'll leave the rest to your imagination. Now that SRG has it i can say everything i have is mediocre equipment reviewed by a slow talker.

    What issues are you having on console? I go back and forth from PC to X1X and while for obvious reasons, the consoles can not in this generation give you the fidelity and features PC can, it still performs very well.
  • edited September 4
    my issues are ongoing and unresolved, so im obviously tryin to be nice, watch my video in the gtsport thread on getting full functionality on ps4, this is only part of the functionality issue and theres even more than that.
  • I have slack on all my wheels, much more than Barry has!
    I contacted Fanatec and was told that there was something wrong with the quick release on my steering wheel, but right after that the tightening nut stuck completely so I had to send my DD2 to Fanatec to replace it, when they had it they wanted me too send my steering wheels so they could check that everything was 100% ok
    I sent my steering wheels and got everything back with more slack than I had initially
    I contacted support but was told that this is perfectly normal, but I could send base and steering wheels again for an extra check, but if they don't find anything wrong I have to pay for it ..
    I don't think this is acceptable, especially when the product page says:
     "Automotive grade Quick Release system with rubber dampener for zero flex and movement between the steering wheel and wheel base"

    With my 2 year old CSW2.5 I have no slack ..

    Watch my video and see if you think this is acceptable ??
  • Man the new Fanalabs software is something I have wanted for a long time!!!!

    You give us beta drivers and beta everything else....let us have the beta of that software please!!!!  Really wanting to check that out ASAP.
  • The model of waiting until the entire product is ready, or even in beta, and then putting out for feedback is outdated.  The current model is to develop a small piece, the "minimum viable product", get just that small piece to release quality, and put it out.  Then, continue to merge new features, keeping the number of simultaneously-worked-on items small, and releasing frequently with whatever is release-quality at that time. 

    Using automated testing, you can keep track of whether your main branch stays release-ready.  Bugs still happen, of course, but when they do, you add another test to ensure that a particular bug doesn't happen again.  Going further, test-driven development lets you get ahead of the code with your tests, so that you can verify that a change is working before ever committing to source control.

    Ideally, you should be pushing out a new production release (not a beta, a vertical slice of fully-complete-and-tested functionality) every 2-4 weeks.

    I know all this stuff sounds a little new-agey, but it really does work.  And the best time to apply it is when you're working on new code, instead of having to go back and make old code unit-testable.
  • edited September 4
    Under Normal Use What Flex??? ... I can Bend the Steering wheel in my Real Life Car if I Pull on it in Un-Natural ways also On average I drive with between 10 to 12Nm Max so I don't worry about flex at all... Thomas reply to the Flex Video was "Because the Flex is Non Rotational that there is No loss of FFB Fidelity" I agree with this as I feel No Flex in the QR. IMO seems the Flex that Barry pointed out was the Space between the QR Slider and Spring that makes it push out to lock in place... but the ball bearings Lock the wheel in place against in a Rotational slippage.

    Hmmm...I wonder if Maybe Barry wants to switch over to using a DD2 but don't want to Dump his custom Rim Collection because his current QR system is Not compatible :-/   food for thought... :-\"   IJS


  • edited September 4
    Under Normal Use What Flex??? ... I can Bend the Steering wheel in my Real Life Car if I Pull on it in Un-Natural ways also On average I drive with between 10 to 12Nm Max so I don't worry about flex at all... Thomas reply to the Flex Video was "Because the Flex is Non Rotational that there is No loss of FFB Fidelity" I agree with this as I feel No Flex in the QR. IMO seems the Flex that Barry pointed out was the Space between the QR Slider and Spring that makes it push out to lock in place... but the ball bearings Lock the wheel in place against in a Rotational slippage.

    Hmmm...I wonder if Maybe Barry wants to switch over to using a DD2 but don't want to Dump his custom Rim Collection because his current QR system is Not compatible :-/   food for thought... :-\"   IJS



    That kind of assumptions is for kids, dont think SRG ever thought about those conspiracy theories... 
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